Tuesday, August 09, 2005

Tuesday, 09 August 2005 The Inspiration and Challenges of 24/7 Rubber Enclosed People (or 24 Hour REPs!)

Dark, your response was so wide ranging and comprehensive that it makes it a daunting to produce an adequately cogent, structured response…. But here goes nothing… For the others I apologise if we go a little deeper and long winded today, but my normal self gratifying superficial banality will return shortly ;o)

In examining the wearing rubber, there are the practicalities / challenges and then there are the positives aspects and thus inspiration we need to have the driving force to overcome the challenges. We better get some of the challenges out of the way first otherwise the motivations are merely theoretical.

Although interesting in the subject, I don’t feel I can contribute anything fundamental or staggeringly new on challenges of sociology or clothing politics (for want of a better name), partly because I generally only wear my fetish clothing in non-public manner and not for any “scene”, fashion or extroverted reasons.

Nevertheless in response to the assertion “rubber will never be mainstreamed for regular clothes because..” [comfort issues and fetish motives], I will say that “never” is long time! Some very strange things which are either uncomfortable and/or worn for (sometimes oblique, sometime overt) sexual motives have come to become mainstream fashion at one time or other. Things that would have been impractical or unthinkable right up to the time they suddenly became mainstream. At one end of the continuum you have (in the West) ever shorter skirts in the second half of the 20th century right, ever more dangerous high heel shoes, right through to body modification, which is routine and (to western eyes) extreme in some cultures (piercings, feet binding, neck rings). So I accept we are a way from any degree of rubber clothing being acceptable clothing in all situations, but I actually think this may change in time. Since my childhood I have seen it become acceptable for women dress more and more in “men’s clothes”, sporting short “men’s” haircuts and then there was the (near) fetish of the punk fashions that became widespread the late 70s.

How do I feel about it? Well it’s not going to affect my current activities, but yes I think it would be generally a good thing if people were not inhibited by society and able to wear anything that makes them feel good or allows them to express themselves. And, although it’s not what drives me, I think future generations of fetishist will owe the current trailblazers (e.g. Blackie and Latex Lady) a huge debt of gratitude when they feel at ease wearing latex in public.

That said, I do think that you are pretty much spot on in identifying the 3 fundamental aspect (or motivations) in wearing latex : physiological, social and psychological – although in examining the subject it is often difficult to talk about one without the other. For example, the impermeable nature of latex is equally applicable to physiological, social and psychological aspects wearing the material. You could put the argument that, for example, latex’s (often) figure hugging propensity, sensual nature, sexual “practicalities” and overtones all have physiological, social and psychological aspects. This is not to diminish the validity of examining all three aspects.

We all know there are challenges of latex lifestyle. The most obvious are the physical challenges and practicality of being totally sealed in an impermeable material for long periods. If we assume an aim of being as total encased in latex as possible, for extended periods, challenges would include:
- maintaining a safe and comfortable body temperature
- dealing with sudden changes in environmental temperature
- dealing with perspiration
- dealing with condensation (both in suite and on goggles / eye pieces)
- allowing for all the other body excretions
- providing mechanism for required nourishment
- having the desired access to breathable air
- ensuring the total enclosure kit is complete enough (to the desired level of encasement/bondage) while allowing the wearer to pursue any necessary activities.
- Avoid painful pressure sores after long periods.
- Ensuring that the suit does not impede blood flow to extremities while being sufficiently close fitting.
- Dealing with vitamin deficiency due to lack of sun-light on skin.
- Having some strategy to exercise enough to prevent atrophy and maintain a level of physical fitness while either not overheating while in latex or spending too long out of latex while exercising. For me this is the ultimate physical challenge….

A challengingly long list, but, if you take them one at a time, it is not that they are insurmountable; it’s just that they are challenges to be overcome. Some are much more difficult to deal with than others. They could be solved by engineering a way out, which might include throwing money at the problem or might mean a compromise in comfort v endurance v degree of encasement.

How an individual deals with the challenges may depend on the nature of their desire to be encased and on how long they are aiming to spend in latex. I don’t claim to have dealt with them all to the extent of making them all a non-issue in all circumstances, but I am merely on the road to finding successively more effective ways of coping with each challenge as and when I chose to increase the latex to non-latex ratio of my lifestyle (and the degree of my total enclosure).

While some of the challenges require a specific strategy, others require adaptation or familiarisation. For instance, I notice that when I visit very hot climates the locals have acclimatized and are not sweating as profusely as I am (despite common biological ancestry). The same is true in cold climates, at sea, at high altitudes, dry climates… Part of this may be strategy (to quote Coward, in some countries “…only mad dogs and English men go out in the mid day sun…”) but there is also an element of the body adapting to the new norm. It is my contention that, given the right “training”, the human body has the ability to adapt to a degree where it can noticeably perform to increase comfort levels when perusing the goal of a latex lifestyle.

Of course no amount of acclimatisation is going to be enough to overcome all these challenges in all situations. So the question is, are you looking to endure the worst the latex enclosure has to offer to satisfy a submissive desire? For some (like Blackie) the endurance is the motivation and a sweaty challenge is the aim. I can understand this and have sometimes deliberately gone for this and more in making life hell in rubber. But my current aim is to wear rubber for far longer periods than my skin could tolerate being regularly saturated with water and bodily waste, not to mention being uncomfortably hot / cold. I also want to be able to adequately function (e.g. work, play) while wearing latex and the key to this has to be to stay comfortable and (for me) above all stay as dry as physically possible.

So after taking what physical steps I can, my next step has been to adapt my routine behaviour in order to stay within the margins of what is practical with a rubber lifestyle. For me this means modifying my WHOLE lifestyle so that I can use my behaviour to control my metabolism (or my response to rubber encasement) and therefore my body temperature, perspiration and bodily functions. This is ongoing and being refined day by day. Some of it is controversial, others common sense. For example, avoiding some foodstuffs and stimulants that contain ingredients that increase your rate of perspiration, excretions, urination and general metabolism. Even the actual moment I chose to first get into latex is critical (time of day and what I was doing beforehand).

However, the most fundamental impact of a latex lifestyle is the pattern of behaviour that I find sustainable once in latex. On the positive side there are lots of things that I spend the bulk of my life doing that are totally possible while in latex TE, even if not quite as easy as when in vanilla. Much of my work is quite possible (basically thinking, using a computer, talking on the phone) and the bits that are not possible are mainly to do with how clients and fellow workers (society) would react to me where I to visit site in latex TE! Most other housebound activities are totally possible, including sleeping, eating, listening to music, reading and of course sex... And if this were all that I wanted to do, I am sure I would already be on course for 24/7 latex lifestyle…

And this is were it gets difficult for most of us. A decade ago I think I would have been more than willing to give up virtually all outside activities to achieve a latex lifestyle, if I had only had the courage, dedication and knowledge needed to attempt what everyone said was an impossible dream… Now I find that despite my best efforts (!) I have accumulated some of the usual vanilla interests and attachments that give me an extensive set of reasons to want to be out travelling, socialising or playing (backpacking, photography, and sailing). These activities are (often) impractical while in latex TE for either social or physical reasons.

So, my latex lifestyle is about dealing with the physical difficulties, finding the right balance, making sacrifices and taking control. If you are serious about a latex lifestyle you first need to think about how you are going to sustain yourself financially such that you get the opportunity to wear latex most/all the time. If you have an independent means or have a partner who will support you, that’s ideal! For the rest of us, you really have to take control of your career to give you the latex lifestyle and living standard you want. I am (currently) lucky as I took the necessary risks to become freelance long ago and now work mainly from home. Others will have to make their own tough decisions which make take years to accomplish. There is little I can do about the time the customer requires me to spend working on site, but the rest of my life is about the hard sacrifices I chose to make. I find that I cannot spend 24/7/365 days in latex and have great social, family and outdoor life (maybe others can). But given that I am truly dedicated to latex, I can endeavour to find the mix that gives me the least possible time out of latex while staying sane and happy.

To achieve a latex lifestyle I therefore now hit the biggest challenges. The physical stuff is almost the easiest to deal with – you just need to come up with a technique or strategy to deal with it. Ultimately, if you can’t do 23/7 everyday, do 20/7 - whatever the limitation, just find the limit and go for the max that is achievable. One day, one day off, Three days on, two off – whatever. But for me, when I have spent 48 to 72 hours continuously in rubber, it is often not my physical condition that makes me want to strip off but that I want / need to go achieve something out in the real world that would be impossible while dressed in rubber.

Just before I move on, Dark says “People such as LadyII, whose circumstances might allow this could attempt it...99.9999% of the rest of us it is impossible.”. I find it interesting that you accept that a lifestyle like is 100% achievable (I hope everyone is OK for me to round to 3 decimal places ;o) ) – many ruberists not only do not believe her, but think the whole idea of 24/7 is “impossible”. (Incidentally, I find the term 23/7 to be splitting hairs when you examine LadyII protocols). I have no idea if she is for real (and have no idea of how anyone could categorically prove it to my satisfaction) but am convinced from her writing and my experiences that a rubber lifestyle technically possible if very, very difficult. If she is for real, then she has shown unbelievable dedication as a submissive and rubberist. In fact if she cheated one whole day once a month, it would still be massively impressive to me.

I hope she is for real, and, while keeping an open mind, I actually chose to believe there is much more than an element of truth in here story, mainly as I can think of no motive for her to deceive that seems compatible with what we have grown to know of her character. If I was in her position I know the biggest challenge would be the social isolation – but we are told she has a constant companion, a very organised fetish master, a rubberist son and a circle of fetish and s/m oriented friends that they meets up with. Well if all that was true, the biggest physiological challenge (the “latex isolation” effect) wouldn’t be such an issue and suddenly the whole thing becomes believable to me.

Now for the motivation…. You certainly need a strong motive to find the necessary inspiration to even attempt a latex lifestyle.

Dark invented a term “platonic notion of enclosure...” - which sounds fascinating and would like to here more about…. I wonder if this is this linked to the transition from (instant) sexual gratification to the sensual experience that 24/7 REPs have reported?

To go into all the reasons for “the psychological need to enclose in rubber” now would make this already long entry unbearably long, but can agree there is probably lots of reasons for lots of people. Some that are less strong in me are the social counter culture stuff or (I think) a direct need to be perverse. I am not into this for peer approval (although not being alone does help!). Dark also mentions sexual need, sensual need and these seem more applicable to me.

I have one further (rather ill defined) theory to put forward. Motivations for some people to have alternative lifestyles, appearances, sexual behaviour (as well as physiological disorders!) is in some part due to a specific strong personal identify or body image issue that may be at odds with reality. How this stuff gets into your head I cannot say, but maybe some of us have a strong image of themselves that includes a latex covering. Being in a non-latex state would cause an unpleasing mismatch between the personal self image and reality. As for what aspect of the (idealized) self image would be missing, for some it might be the shiny appearance, the figure hugging appearance, the flattering/firming “hand” of skin tight rubber on the form, the sensual feel, the perverse mode, the loss of human identity, the objectification, the idea of being hermetically sealed, the feeling of being “the other”, the overtly kinky sexual association, the breath control associations of masks or even just the smell! For me I think it is all these thing in different measures and something more. My fetish really does include the love of what is obviously (to everyone else) an inanimate object. Some people have worshiped trees, rocks or fellows. This Looney is dedicated to the latex that gives me so much back and spending long periods in TE involves dedication and me making some sacrifices. All disturbingly common human behaviour patterns maybe...

Now the footnotes…

BTW – the powerful desire to strip off latex after sexual climax seems to be very common, but I can report that it is also eminently curable! I used to get around this by being physically locking in with no access to the key (!), but Latex Lady & others gave me the necessary encouragement and hints on how to overcome this and now I often don’t even get a slightest impulse to de-rubber. Overcoming this impulse really is possible – assuming you have at least the slightest interest in seeing what happens if you stay rubberier for a few hours longer….

BTW2 - One thing I didn’t deal with was the comment “and train your psyche to deal with the social issues.”… That’s because this is still work in progress for me!

Sealed

1 comment:

Sealed said...

You can tell I havn’t got the work yet, I have time to make these long entries…

Thanks 4 the invite. Will communicate privately via IAR next week regarding this.

It seems that from your analysis, that you deduced thing that I had not intended to say. Spookily enough, I think you are pretty close on most of these…

It’s true that my rubber dedication is a mainly private affair (discounting, my cyber-fetish friend). This is probably as equally a result of my personality/preference as well as random circumstance of life.

Anyway, I have rarely ever had anything to do with the fetish community IRL. I have not really craved fetish clubs and events and just not had the opportunity to fall into a habitual circle of fetish friends.

Thus my (apparently) rare and often decidedly selfish, private dedication to TE. [Just before anyone get the wrong idea, I do try be a considerate to my partner – but that’s totally private part of my life - and non-social, if not selfish….]

As a society naive, I would like to ask Dark a question now (it is my blog, but anyway…), what are the nature of his fetish community links? Are we talking clubs, orgies or what? What is he seeking out of them?

Q “Would you seek social interactions with people who you really liked and who would also be rubbered?”

A. Yes. I would cautiously go further in saying that I may be drawn into friendship with those with extremely similar fetish interest, partly/just because of that interest. I may well be that some other connection, like similar outlook / attitude or background, would be necessary.

You posit that I “…requires no one for "validation" or participation”. Agreed. As for validation, I never did require it to enjoy myself, but found the presence of so many publications and internet communities detailing a huge number of people with equivalent interest comforting.

As for participation, again I don’t necessarily require it – but that’s not to say I never get it. Just to be controversial – although I have found that the most intimate and emotionally moving sex has got to be with other soles, I have at least equally powerful, satisfying session solo. If I want to reliably have a well paced, prolonged session with someone who knows how to engage all my fetishes & kinks, I always turn to my expert - myself!. I spent years single perfecting the technique!

Luckily I get to have the choice – but to any reader without partners, I would liked to say something that I have never heard anyone else say before – Sex with a partner is different than masturbation - but necessarily any better!

Q “Why must the long term 24/7 rubbering be so extreme… Why not less than total encasement?”

A. It doesn’t HAVE to be TE, it’s just my ideal form. I accept that total TE really IS more demanding. I find just adding an open face hood in addition to a suit with feet and hands a step change. For routine (but long) work a day sessions I sometime found that I have chosen to remove items, usually for practical reasons, however…

Q. “If you had no eye pieces, mouth cover or breathing apparatus... would this not make you feel enclosed enough?”

A. Truthfully, for me – no, not enough. The total setup is best and that’s what I strive for. That’s not to say I don’t get anything from wearing less extreme outfits. Practicality does unfortunately get in the way and I frequently have to compromise when working. It’s a continuum, but my usual absolute minimum is a suit with built in feet and hands (augmented with black surgical gloves to help make the suit’s gloves fit perfectly). Unless I am going to be on the phone literally all day, I typically add a hood. The hood has minimal eye, nose & mouth openings, and has to overlap such there is zero chance of any skin ever being exposed around the neck. For working I add goggles and a simple dust mask which are light weight and easy to remove for phone calls. If I get too hot or expect to need to spend extended time on the phone, I may have to remove the goggles, masks and hood. On the other hand, if I feel like stepping up a gear I replace with breathing kit…

My second question : do you get them same or more from the experience of adding a hood? Is more better, or just more of the same? Is there a minimum point where it’s just not enough rubber enclosure?

Q. What about the notion of layers? Does adding layer upon layer come in to play?

A. Not really. I hear a lot about this and although it’s fun to play this game, I very rarely get round to doing it. In my ideal world, the most important thing would be that the initial layer would (A) not be to thick (B) Be close fitting (C) be continuous all over (basically an all over cat suit). I don’t exactly know why it is important to me that the first layer be continuous – but it something to do with that whole “sealed” thing. Put another way, one thing I really don’t like is wearing layers of individual items (shirt, pants, socks…) and then having your sweat break out of every place two garments overlap – yuk!

Sometime I have worn a very thick “protective” suit over a thin body suit (bit like latex lady). This is not something I currently regularly find necessary.

Are layers important to you?

Q. Thickness

A. Sort of already answered this, but just to add that I am really interested in wearing thin suit as at least “base layer”. Never worn a really thin suit. I just need to know how long I could expect such a suit to last if worn every single day of the year (or more precisely, 2 suits worn in rota). Something I may try, probably with a thicker suit protecting it from snagging on sharps.

Q Hidding my TE rubberism…

My partner and one or two others certainly know I have special rubber interests, but it is not something that I like to ram down people thoughts or embarrass them by talking about in public. If someone asks me, I don’t deny my preferences – but I am no rubber missionary (I could admire those who are).

As I have said elsewhere, my partner is aware and partakes, but this is not something that she is driven to. Happy to assist me in staying a happy R.E.P., I keep her direct involvement in rubber scenes to only being a part of our relationship, rather than a major component (that it is for my life).

All this does tend to compartmentalize my life. I believe this is an unfortunate downside of my lifestyle choice that is caused by the social / cultural non-acceptance of R.E.P.s

BTW – “The platonic ideal of TE” sounds spot description of at least part of my fetish.

Q. Hair

A. I answer with the question, every tried wearing rubber with long hair / poney tail? I have and it really doesn’t help! These days I go for a No3 short hair cut (and keep other areas well trimmed too). I don’t routinely shave all the hair off the whole of my body (although I have in the past), but acknowledge this would be of benefit.

Shaving would, as you say, become a real problem if you were regularly going to stay Rubber Enclosed for days on end. However, I am still dealing with more fundamental challenges that prevent me from reliably and regularly achieving 24+ hours being absolutely TE.

The Sealed “hierarchy of needs for the totally sealed Rubber Enclosed Person”, would probably start :
1. Breathing.
2. Urine plumbing
3 Sweat/temp control
4. Hydration / Nutrition
5. Faeces plumbing…
Once all these are dealt with, I will move on to hair and shaving…

It’s worthy of note that your question highlights the difference in approach between a rubberist who is keen having occasional marathon session and the sort of details a “lifestyle” rubberist (I am still unsure about that term) should be considering. I could easily go a few days without a shave and maybe holdout without sitting on the toilette – but that’s not an attractive option if you are talking of going for the lifestyle.


Q. “Comfort may be defined as the absence of discomfort or awarenss of the enviroment. ….”

A. I will stop you there, if I may, before you get on to Sens Dep etc. If what you are saying as that by just being aware of your rubber environment you are necessarily not comfortable – I have to disagree.


Q “….Rubber enclosure ….by the above definition be comfortable because then you would not know you were enclosed in rubber.”

A. Disagree. I CAN feel very comfortable in rubber and I often feel very comfortable even after a long session. Sometime I end up de-rubbering because of a physiological wall, rather than lack of comfort. That’s not to say I frequently am a little less than comfortable by the time I de-rubber…

Q. “…The enclosure needs to be there constantly reminding you that your encased…”

A. Agree. It’s got to be more than just comforting – it has to be impossible to ignore totally (particularly when not stock still).

Q. “…should hover at a level of pleasuure without pushing you toward erotic frenzy.”

A. Agreed, sort of – but the reality is can find myself sliding in one direction or the other. Either getting so used to your environment that you almost ignore it and get engrossed in the mundane world or, just as likely, totally loose control despite your best efforts and get taken over by the errotic frenzy. But there is a third dimension that several lifestylers have commented on, the sensual (not sexual) direction that is less easy to define – but tends not be evident until you have spend many hours encased.

Once past the point where you risk the frenzy, the art for me is keeping on the boil in the erotic and sensual plane without disappearing off too far from middle in the erotic/mundane plane. You need to stay “functioning” for the bulk of the time (particularly if I work in rubber), but there is no point being in TE if you don’t feel “special” for the majority of the time.

I will let you know low libidos stage of my life when it happens! Suspect I might still have interest in the non erotic (sensual and physiological) aspects…