Friday, August 12, 2005

Friday, 12 August 2005 - Catheterisation – Suitable for Rubber Enclosed People?

(answers for Dark in comments section of last post…)

If Catheterisation is something that interests you, I think you should try hard to find time to read this entry to the end. It could save you a lot of bother…

I have never considered medical equipment part of my fetish, but faced with the realities of being sealed up in rubber for hours/days, they start to appeal where they are conceivably a means to an end.

BTW My suit of choice is a neck entry type with no zips or other access to the groin area - making it wonderfully comfortable and water proof / air tight, but this does give rise to the obvious difficulties in body function. I do own suits with 3 way - zip access etc, but I find there are down sides to these including:

1. Being less comfortable (zip runs by sensitive region and is not as stretchy/soft as latex)

2. Feeling less “sealed” (suits with no zips make you feel almost vacuum packed)

3. If you do get to hot, you can end up leaving puddles of sweat everywhere!

4. Because zips run over an are requiring bends / stretch and of item 1 (above), I find that the zip is under strain and is usually the first point of failure in a suit.

My trials with urinating sheath pants from fetish shops and condom-type catheters from medical suppliers have so far been unsatisfactory. Neither could handle the change in shape and size over prolong wearing that is inherent in normal male cycles of erection and flaccidity. So here I am trying out a Foley Cath.

I have the catheter linked to a small collecting bag (via non-return) inside my suit; this in turn is plumed up to exit via my neck, so it can be pumped empty.

Insertion (with lube) was unpleasant but not painful. It chose the smallest diameter size (FG12) to make it easy to insert and wear. The cath was a Bardo-matic – which means it is easy to deploy self retaining balloon that lives in the bladder.

Wearing it, I could not say it felt very comfortable. Not really what you could call uncomfortable, but for me “almost uncomfortable”.

Function worked very well. The flow into the bag was slow but kept my bladder completely empty. I managed to fit all this plumbing inside the skin-tight suit and yet keep it secured / comfortable. When there was sufficient fluid in the collection bag, it was very easy to empty via the second pipe (I used simple symphonic method in this trial).

Now, like I said before, I didn’t embark on these trial for any other reason than for the potential to solve some mundane practical issues associated with my chosen kink, but what do you know – I found there was a kind of thrill to all this. It felt quite perverse (even by my own standards), but I found myself liking things about my catheterisation. I really liked the losing of all control of my bladder functions and effectively handing control to my suit’s plumbing equipment. It literally felt like a release at some level. All the plumbing pipes added to a sort of cyborg type mental image – the new kit enhancing the idea of an amalgamation between body and fetish (suit).

In the interests of the trial I had to try out everything I wanted to be able to do while wearing the cath. Moving about was no problem. The cath stayed secure and did not limit my ability to move around at all. The rest of the plumbing was only really a first lash up – but actually felt pretty good when sitting/lying/standing/stretching/walking and stayed securely in position (I had augmented the supplied rubber belts). In fact the little resistance or pull offered by the kit was just enough to make you aware of your situation, which I found weirdly stimulating.

Next was the obvious erection test and that was the end of the good news. On the plus side, cycles of erection did not present any problems to the function of the cath, which stayed secure and functional. But I couldn’t say I liked the sensation. It wasn’t painful, but was very noticeable and verging on unpleasant. The masochist in me could get something out of it – and I found it could actually be a stimulating experience, but it was not the sort of thing I would like to endure every time I had an erection. Still, it didn’t stop me getting a thrill in the short term, so the test had to proceed to obvious climax….

DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME!!!! I knew there was some risk here before I started as, with a catheter in the urethra, there is nowhere for the semen to go (this is one reason why I chose the smallest diameter). Anyway - absolute explosion of agony. Some have said it enhances the experience, others have agreed with me – basically never again. Again, those into pain may get something out of this – but I would expect that this amount of agony is associated with real risk of damage.

Some semen did make it’s way past the cath, but the back pressure with all the fluid being suddenly being released was just too much for my kit to handle.

Luckily, the cath was easy to remove by deflating the retainer with a syringe and carefully withdrawing (no resistance felt at all). But this was not the end of the pain.

Urinating for a few hours after the experience was virtually too painful to consider. This actually did fade once I had successfully passed water. However, the initial sensation was unpleasant every time I urinated for the following 24 hours.

Summary

I tried this same experiment some 10 years ago with similar results. I spent the intervening time wondering if I had been unlucky the first time and building up the courage to try again. Now I know the truth - in-bladder catheters are not for me and will be more than a decode before I want to go there again!

Everyone is built differently and maybe I have a particularly sensitive or narrow urethra. Given how instantly I started getting a slightly unpleasant sensation, it is even possible that my urinary tract is allergic to latex (in which case there is always the silicone caths).

I could imagine some people may find Foley catheters comfortable to wear and even stimulating. However, I can’t see how anyone could comfortably or safely ejaculate without first removing the catheter.

Even if that were possible – Foley Catheter have their limitation and are only a partial solution. If the aim is to plumb away fluids so you can stay comfortably in your suit for extended periods, the Foley does not address the semen ejaculate. Admittedly this is less troublesome to an endurance rubberist than urine, but a perfect solution would deal with both.

For female rubberist the in-dwelling Foley really does offer some possibilities. Erections and ejaculation are obviously irrelevant here and I have heard some good reports. It probably would be worth considering as long as you take account of UTI issues associated with the shorter urethra and it’s proximity to unclean areas. Any female volunteers?!?! ;o)

Way forward?

On the plus side, the rest of the plumbing and collection worked a treat. I can easily see it being refined to a degree that would make it suitable and comfortable for constant wear every day. I just need a reliable & comfortable way getting stuff into the collection bag’s one way valve…

Next on the list for further consideration are proper medical appliances (e.g. McGuire Urinal), the Bioderm device and draining pants from fetish shops. Any feedback welcomed!

Sealed

4 comments:

Sealed said...

Dark,

Thanks for the comments, but I notice that you are less forthcoming in answering questions about your own preferences than engaging in other peoples fantasies. Oddly selfless of you for a blogger. Still, I am happy to accept that just because I ask a question doesn’t mean I will get an answer…

The defecation problem does not worry me too much just yet. You can go a long time without going, and this could be (temporarily) extended with modified diet and drugs, while a more permanent solution was found. By adapting a few ideas I have trialled some years back, I think there are “plumbing solution: to this that would not be too uncomfortable. Although relatively “modestly built” in the anus dept, accommodate small objects in my anal cavity is not anything like as unpleasant as the in-dwelling Foley in my urethra.

I don’t think the anatomical suit with orifices is going to be a quick fix either. Apart from anything else, I am not anatomically (standard) shaped and suspect few people are – so maybe all these suits would have to be tailored. It’s certainly an interesting idea, so will keep an open mind and watching briefs (pun intended)….

I know what you mean about the CB Sheath. On a logical level, they make perfect sense – but I have to say I have a personal preference for suits where my penis is trapped in the suit with me! Partly cos I like the look and partly cos I prefer the feel. Also I find wearing a CB sheath very “distracting” and sometimes over stimulating for longer session. That’s not to say that I don’t like CB sheath suit or pants as I have bought several of both before now and enjoyed them. If a CB sheath suit gave me the functionality I need, I would wear one every day – otherwise, I would probably stick to a plain suit.

The idea of staying erect all the time is interesting, but I wonder how practical or heathy that would be. In the early part of my pointz experiment, I WAS very rigid for hours on end and sometime all day! Wow – they were the days – but getting anything done (other than play) was difficult. As time has worn on, things have calmed down and now I can only lay claim to having a stiffer penis (than vanilla) for the majority of the day, with several cycles of full erection. Then there are also occasional cycles of flaccidity – particularly when busy running about the place while intent on a mundane jobs (or post coital etc).

Electto stim helps, but there are still natural cycles even then.

Drugs to stay hard… I have never tried that and know little about the subject. Maybe something like Viagra would work? Mind you, it would only be OK as long as it was physiological and did not increase the sex drive impulse too much – I might end up going from one session straight into the next 24/7. I need to do other things too – like sleep!

Given the nature of male anatomy and the process of erection, I suspect constant hard erection would be unhealthy (the blood has to flow after all). But all we are really after to make a good interface to ext condom cath or sheath is avoiding total flaccidity even for short periods…

BTW - Your idea of the sheath / ring sounds very much like the actual medical appliances I have been investigating…

To round off, although disappointed with the progress so far, I am not defeated yet and still have several lines of enquiry to follow. For all fellow plumbers, watch this space for developments and feel free to feedback with suggestions.

Sealed

Blackie said...

I have just read Sealed's last two posts and the comments.

First the general idea of continuous enclosure. I am with Dark on this - perhaps because I am older, the sexual impule to wear rubber comes and goes. As I will recount in my blog, the last time I went clubbing I was fully geared including mack for 36 hours, part of which time at the club I had on my full-face hood with mouth zip closed, but SBR off much of the evening until I felt I wanted extra heat endurance.

After I got home and stripped off I was sated with rubber for a week. So I am able to have a busy vanilla life which is important to me as well as rubber. However I combine that with frequently wearing SBR mack, cap and boots around irrespective of the weather and have become I think just a local eccentric.

Going on to the practical issues of boduily functions, I think that long periods of catheterisation and butt pluggiong, or the equivalent, will cause long-term damage to delicate tissues. I would not contemplate either.

My own solutions are these. For urination I have suits with through zips, worn over pants with a sheath and attached tube. The sheath is kept in position by a number of rubber bands of carefully selected tension to allow urine to flow but stop the penis slipping out.

It is held in a semi-flaccid state I find - the sheath has a bulb at the end which caters for some expansion. The tube I can readily bring out for use by undoing the zips, and it could be connected to a permanent fixed in tube in the suits.

My through zips could in emergency handle defecation, but it would mean slitting the pants since dragging them down inside the suit seems hardly practicable.

The sheath route seems the only medically safe one for long term wear. Try a posting on the the IAR forums to see what DrGummi has to say on this.

My own tastes for heat endurance of course limit my time in full rubber. I think though that I have now settled to a way of life that I can maintain both socially and physically. As I have written before, I do not have family or ework to worry about. This though is Sealed's blog and not mine, so I shall say no more about my needs.

I continue to admire his endurance, particularly the ability to work.

Blackie.

Sealed said...

Thanks to all for encouraging comments and suggestions.

xevious

Just to clarify, the cath I described was an in-dwelling Foley type catheter, worn in a plain suit – so there was no sheath involved. Are you talking about some other type of catheter (like an external condom-type) or are you referring to the sheath of your suit / pants?

My catheter was quite well anchored in the bladder (via its expanding balloon) with no chance of slipping out and had plenty of slack to allow for movement / expansion. The discomfort I felt was along the length of the urethra as it passed through the penis. It seemed worse toward the tip of the gland, got worse as it stiffened, and in my case believe it was not related to strain on the tube.

It seems to me that I am anatomically unlucky and unable to take an in-dwelling catheter without an uncomfortable feeling. It just seems I am very sensitive to things in my urethra.

I suppose it is just possible that I would be able to adjust to the sensation after many sessions – but I may never know due to the problems I encountered with ejaculation. This was unbelievably painful and left me in severe discomfort every time I wanted to urinate for 12 hours plus. I was not that difficult to see why – the mini explosion of semen had nowhere to go as its usual route of exit (via Urethra) was blocked by the Foley and so the sudden pressure caused pain.

I would be interested if you have avoided the ejaculation pain. Maybe different men are built differently or maybe you have avoided ejaculation.

BTW – the more I spend long hours (or even days) in latex TE, the less I find that it is exclusively association with climax and ejaculation. No longer the reason to rubber up. The TE becomes just a part of my normal state or lifestyle – a lifestyle that is just more sensual and (psychologically?) comfortable. However, for me, ejaculation just becomes a statistical inevitability due to my rubber endurance becoming greater than my capacity for chastity….


Dark,

I find it easy to understand your description of your rubber interest as being just like sex – something you need to satisfy, get it out of your system and then you are good to get on with the rest of your life. I have exactly the same basic drive.

I am just lucky to have an extra interest. The fact that I do have the opportunity (and suitable climate) to try for the max duration may be half the reason. Like a mountaineer’s “because it is there” it’s fun to try and push the limits. But there is the other half of my drive to stay in rubber well beyond the time necessary to have sex. This is still partly shrouded in mystery for me – but there are obviously other reason as I have always tried to engineer my life to give me that opportunity…

I know part of my personal mantra (following near death experience etc) is to not except that life has to be mundane. I hate wasting too much of my time on anything that is not part of my ideal life. It’s not that I have particularly high ambitions, but (as you have discovered) I do have some strong ideas of what constitutes a way of life for me. [All sounds very pretentious I know – this seems to become an occupational hazard as I make my way through life!].

BTW – “ in the case of a shoulder zip with no crotch zip you can't get at them at all!” – imagine the frustration of not having direct access. This was perversely part of the appeal!

I would be interested to know about your light gage suits. What gauge are we talking and who made them? Are they durable?

Further questions for Dark left over from the previous posts (bit out of context, but sure you will all pick up the plot). Although aimed at Dark, would take constructive comments from anyone.

Q1 Re: fetish community. As a society naive, I would like to ask Dark what are the nature of his fetish community links? Are we talking clubs, orgies or what? What is he seeking out of them?

Q2 Do you get them same or more from the experience of adding a hood? Is more better, or just more of the same? Is there a minimum point where it’s just not enough rubber enclosure?

Q3 Are layers important to you and why?

Sealed

Sealed said...

Thanks Dark. I have seen your posts for here and there for so long, but suddenly I think I just go to know more about you and your fetish side. Much easier for me to put your comments into context now.

Your experience with thin rubber is interesting and will one day invest in a thinner suit. In fact my very first suit was a bit thinner than usual and I remember it being very comfortable.

Sealed